Time to Drop the Clark Bomb

by Reaper0Bot0, Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:49:03 PM EST

It's time to drop the Clark Bomb!

I started off wanting Senator Obama to show the civility I know he's not only capable of, but disposed to.  I still want that, but events have changed and we've gotta change with 'em.

Senator McCain has done two things in the last few weeks I cannot abide.  First, his campaign attacked Senator Obama for something he wrote in the guestbook at the Holocaust Museum in Israel.  Secondly, Senator McCain has evidenced that he has an imperfect (at best) understanding of military matters.

I don't wanna go dirty and I don't wanna get into smears.  What I want is to slap McCain around on the issues, on his judgment, and above all on his plans.  I want him taken down a peg and put where he belongs - an honorable old warhorse that no longer understands what must be done.  You treat him with respect but you make it plain his fighting days are done.  There's no dishonor in that, but I think at this point we have to make it plain.

Wes Clark is in the best position and has the appropriate disposition to be an aggressive VP.

And one more thing...

Bringing him on as VP at this point would be a pretty big "Fuck You" to John McCain right now.  And frankly I think Senator McCain has earned it.

Selecting Wes Clark after "distancing" himself from Clark makes it staggeringly obvious that if Senator McCain wants a fight, well, he's gonna get one.  It would show that Senator Obama's got real balls and he ain't afraid to use 'em.

I still want to run a clean campaign.  Clean, however, does not mean soft.  Clean does not mean queasy.  Clean means honest.

A right hook can be plenty honest.




Tags: Wes Clark, VP, Bareknuckle (all tags)

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Tips? (2.00 / 15)

For the right hook?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:49:19 PM EST

Re: Tips? (2.00 / 2)

I like BO's strategy right now, it just seems like he has decided to rope a dope JM. It is working fabulously, why should he jump in until he really needs to? Save the ammo for later, when more people are paing attention.


by Dog Chains on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:53:33 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 4)

Wes is my first choice, Senator Clinton second.

Either one will chew McCain's backside well, and more importantly, start ripping on his surrogates.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:54:08 PM EST

Wes Clark is a a very "unifying" (2.00 / 1)

pick but the only question I have with Clark is whether the total number of hours that him and Obama have spoken totals three.  Do these guys know each other at all?  I haven't heard of these guys working together in any capacity over the past four years and that may be an obstacle to Obama choosing Clark in the same way lack of familiarity may have been the obstacle to choosing Edwards, prior to the most recent gossip.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:01:03 PM EST

How much did Clinton know Gore? (2.00 / 1)

probably not much at all.

There's negotiation to be done, staking out territory (one hopes. veeps should do something).

They may not have spoken, but I'd wager Clark could give you cold what Obama would say, on any number of issues.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:37:27 PM EST
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Re: How much did Clinton know Gore? (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, I would agree, I think the probably both know either others views very well.

I also think perhaps the "they have to feel comfortable with each other" idea is a little overblown.

These are two of the smartest people in politics, both pros.

If it makes sense for the ticket, and if I was Wes Clark, I would want to know what role I would play in an Obama Whitehouse, they will be friendly enough.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:42:10 PM EST
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good fences make good neighbors (2.00 / 1)

... negotiating gets done first, less squabbling later.

Obama is known to be a compromiser, someone who likes diverse ideas. He's got a lot less to worry about than other personality types (who might want to find values-partners, or people who would take the same approach to problem solving).


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:56:06 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 4)

Clark's a great choice.  No doubt about it.  I like Biden too.  He's a gaffe machine, but when he's on offense, he's fist-bump inducing.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:58:26 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 5)

Love to see Biden against Mittens in the VP debate.

Hillary as well, either would hand Mittens his head on a platter.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:08:39 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 2)

Totally.  Oh, how I hope McCain picks Romney.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:12:23 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 2)

I'm rooting for Pawlenty.

See Lettuce's newest diary for why.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:17:23 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 2)

here are my picks

1.Clark : retired general nuff said
2.Hagel: repub that is against the war could pull in more repubs/conservatives

3. Clinton :Shock value  and I want to see if Puma still support Mcsame if she is on the ticket
on the downside I hope she does not cause Obama to lose support among his base or galvanize the repubs against the ticket


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:18:16 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 2)

I have some respect for Chuck Hagel, but his voting record is social conservative, I think Obama would be asking for riot if he put him on the ticket.

I also have said, love to see the PUMA world birfurcate if Obama puts Senator Clinton on the ticket.

My take is, Larry, Susan, Alegre, Texas Darlin would all go ballastic, and call anyone traitors to the PUMA cause if some folks came back and switched from voting for McCain to Obama/Clinton.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:31:26 PM EST
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TexasDarlin (2.00 / 1)

would probably get busy trying to prove that Hillary isn't actually a citizen.


by JJE on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:08:24 PM EST
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Re: TexasDarlin (2.00 / 1)

I can see the Hillary is a Pod person Diary now  


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 10:59:00 AM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

It would probably be painful for her, but I think Alegre would come around. Even TexasDarlin might. Larry and Susan aren't real Democrats anyway.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:16:54 PM EST
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Why (none / 0)

Do any of you give a crap about what Alegre or Texas Darlin' think about anything anymore?
They're both as irrelevant as last week's oatmeal.
Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by wildchildAK on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:08:18 AM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

SoCal will never support a black president.  Period.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 08:04:39 AM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 3)

I don't understand why Dems would want Hagel anywhere near our ticket, with due respect.  He's right on exactly one issue, and dead wrong on damn near everything else. His voting record is quite conservative and he just doesn't share our values.

This would be a desperation move, and Obama is on such solid ground that picking a conservative Republican would probably hurt him with Democrats more than it helped with Republicans.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:21:24 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Bravo! Well said. Hagel might be a cabinet pick after Obama's election, but certainly not the veep choice.


by RickWn on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:26:43 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Hagel!?!?!? You folks really do have a sick fascination with DINO's, the GOP and the red states.


by Iceblinkjm on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:45:00 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 2)

"Reply to This" is your friend.

Substantively, I'm not entirely sure what's "sick" about a "fascination" with the other half of the country.  They don't just up and leave when we win.

Just sayin'.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:06:37 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

And I am just saying that Hagel or Sebellius would not be a good VP fit. Obama already has a large gay problem that does not need further widening. Sebellius is pro-life and upheld Kansas's ban on gay marriage and we all know how Hagel has voted in the past.


by Iceblinkjm on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:16:55 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Nope.

She's pro-choice, conspicuously so.  But thanks for trying.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:43:16 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

You should check your facts. She's catholic and prolife.


by Iceblinkjm on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:44:45 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Wikipedia has her listed as prolife. Thanks for playing!


by Iceblinkjm on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:50:38 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Whoops, but you shouldn't mention Wiki when you are trying to spin things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Se belius#Other_issues

"Regarding her position on abortion, Sebelius describes herself as personally pro-life, but opposed to efforts to eliminate or reduce abortions primarily by criminalizing abortion procedures.[28]"

A gutzy position, consider she is in Kansas!

But, of course, you hate her because she supported Obama and not Hillary.

Look, instead of proving yourself to be a dummy by trying to interact with us on something we know, and you don't, why not write some more tasty
diaries like the one defending Harriet?

That was comedy gold, stick to that stuff, you'll embarress yourself less.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:08:19 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

No she's simply a DINO. Only an Obama supporter would justify such positions but than we know many of you are not serious about gay and lesbian rights or our issues for that matter.Thanks for your spin. You guys are such hyprocrites...


by Iceblinkjm on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:15:28 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Yeah you folks like Harriet are doing yomans work on Gay and Lesbian issues by supporting the Republic Party.

Cognitive dissonance much?  (Look it up if you need to....)


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:23:21 PM EST
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Arrogance (none / 0)

If you are going to be so arrogant at the end of your posts, please make better arguments from the jump and learn how to spell.


by Thaddeus on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:32:23 PM EST
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Re: wtf? (none / 0)

Which one of them are you talking to?  The hyprocrite or the one doing yoman's work?


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:54:05 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 2)

I think the comment was about how silly the idea of putting a conservative Republican on the ticket seems when we have good choices in the Dem party.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:18:37 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

If Hagel is vice-president we wouldn't be winning.


by Thaddeus on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:29:40 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 2)

I've been saying that I think Clark is the frontrunner for some time. I said it before some people started saying he was thrown under the bus and I've continued to say it up until now.

I think it is down to two choices - Clark or Clinton. I favor Clark, because he brings a lot of positives and very few negatives. I'd be happy with Clinton, because she also brings a lot of positives. Her negatives are somewhat troubling, but I think her positives outweigh them.

As I've said all along, the person I really want is Edwards. The main reason I want Edwards is because it would set him up for 2016. I would love to see a populist progressive in office during my lifetime. We haven't had one since FDR.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:25:06 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Have you considered how this would play out if Colin Powell were McCain's VP?

Colin is his best choice as it would de-energize the black vote because they are assured at least the VP slot even if they stayed home.

Also Colin Powell used to be Clark's boss.

I don't know if Powell would serve if called but he is GOP and would be far and away the best VP because  he would cause Obama to lose a lot of black votes in the form of don't bother to vote people.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:17:43 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 3)

You don't understand Black politics at all, I'm afraid.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:15:26 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 1)

"Colin is his best choice as it would de-energize the black vote because they are assured at least the VP slot even if they stayed home."

That is probably one of the silliest arguments I have heard this entire political season.

Yeah, let's stay home and NOT vote for Barack, so Powell can be VP.

You couldn't de-energise the black voting base from voting for Barack unless the Republic use Firehouses and Police dogs, which, knowing them, they would like to try in the deep south...


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:26:19 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Remember the black base includes people like Jessy Jackson who don't LIKE Obama.

If McCain were magically made black Obama's base would become massively de-motivated and one may argue that the black vote might end up at traditional levels.  Since this isn't possible having a Black VP is the next best thing.

McCain/Powell would have a lesser effect but a few say 5% drop in turnout is a big effect.

And likely has more impact than any other VP that is likely unless McCain can get NH with his VP.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 07:02:50 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

"Remember the black base includes people like Jessy Jackson who don't LIKE Obama."

Come on, Jesse has no juice in the community right now compared to Obama?

Are you suggesting something crazy like McCain choose Powell (who wouldn't do it anyway, so this exercise is silly to begin with) and then Jesse endorses THAT ticket over Obama?

"McCain/Powell would have a lesser effect but a few say 5% drop in turnout is a big effect."

5% of the entire base or 5% of the black vote?

Look, DT, this is all speculative, and since IT is NOT going to happen, we will never know, but I just think you have NO idea how the black community is supporting Barack.

It's NOT just that he is black so you can drop in Colin Powel in his place and peel off votes.

These are DEMOCRATS as well....


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 07:17:10 PM EST
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I see the rightwing weighs in. (none / 0)

First, it would be hilarious if McCain chose Powell since Powell has already hinted he will vote for Obama.

Second, black people are voting for Obama for two reasons:  He's a democrat and he's the best one for the job. The same reason the rest of us are voting for Obama.  Collin Powell is not either a Democrat, nor will he magically make McCain the best one for the job.

You can put lipstick on the pig McCain all you want but it won't fool anyone.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 08:12:45 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 1)

God you're hilarious DT.  Is it intentional?


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:28:00 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

I'll just repeat Reap0bot and say you don't understand black politics at all.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:55:56 PM EST
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Total agreement (2.00 / 1)

MS, I've never seen a comment with whch I agree more.  I would love to see Edwards remain viable on the national level and I agree completely that Clark and Clinton are the next best choices.

Please spare me boring Evan Bayh and bombastic Joe Biden who sold his soul to the credit card companies a long time ago.


by Thaddeus on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:34:33 PM EST
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Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Clark, Biden or Reed would be fine.  Hope it's Wes but Biden would give 'em hell too.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:17:31 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

I like Clark but I think the economy is what the campaign needs to focus on. They need a populist governor. I like Sebelius or Kaine.


by Lolis on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:51:28 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

Wes Clark has the experience, expertise and, now, media savvy to make an excellent VP candidate and an even better VP with extraordinary foreign policy skills.

Damn straight...Wes Clark for VP.


just a red meat eatin' Democratic Dawg frontpaging at The Democratic Daily...
by BigDog on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:28:22 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (none / 0)

I like him too.  I was at Netroots Nation and heard him speak.  I was impressed.


by Jenai on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:53:15 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 1)

I've thought Wes Clark was the man for the job since January.


by Democrat in Chicago on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:11:15 PM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 1)

My two cents:

I want Clark for the ticket. Although I favored Hillary over Obama during the primary, Barack won fair and square and is now our nominee. I'm backing him 100%.

Much as I'd like to see Hillary on the ticket, I've come to the conclusion that picking her leaves us another vote shy of the sixty votes we want and need in the senate.

Clark, as choice, has two major benefits:

1) Clark as veep candidate strengthens the military credentials of Obama's ticket. It also deflates McCain's campaign as it has so far been played: that of the lone warrior who knows how to win a war.

2) By picking Clark, Obama easily retains two secure Democratic senatorial seats. Choosing either Biden or Clinton, he loses a senatorial vote which, although likely replaced by a Dem, is not absolutely guaranteed and could prove very expensive to ensure.


by RickWn on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 12:11:27 AM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 1)

My first choice. No secret there.

Wes Clark is the obvious pick.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 12:27:32 AM EST

Re: Time to Drop the Clark Bomb (2.00 / 1)

McCain being unapologetic about his "Obama would rather lose a war than lose an election" just made the Clark pick an even better idea.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 08:06:25 AM EST


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